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Fast jag blev mer besviken så det är nästan roligare när man vet att Frodo överlever!


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Fast jag blev mer besviken så det är nästan roligare när man vet att Frodo överlever!


Som i 99% av alla andra böcker och filmer?

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Uj uj uj..., vad ska jag välja...?
:arrow: Slutet förstås, jepp, gråter definitivt där, varje gång... :cry:
:arrow: Liksom när Sam lämnar Frodo vid Shelob's lair. (Kan ju tycka att jag skulle kunna låta bli efter alla gånger jag läst det, menar, jag VET ju vad som kommer att hända, men det hjälper liksom inte...)
:arrow: Hobernas möte med alverna i Fylke. (En fläkt av Valinor...)
:arrow: Pippin vid de svarta portarna (och Gandalfs förhandlingar med Saurons språkrör). (små och stora hjältar)
:arrow: Hela kapitlet Mount doom! (Aaaffftnghjrrgyyst..., nej, hittar inga ord..)
:arrow: Rensningen av Fylke! (Go hobbits, go hobbits...! :P )

:arrow: Och Later Events Concerning the Members of the Fellowship of the Ring i appendixet. Minns vad förtjust jag blev första gången jag läste det och insåg att det liksom fortsatte, nästan utanför bokens pärmar kändes det som. :D

Och mycket mycket mer...

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Oj.. Har så många favoritstycken.. Mkt svårt att välja :) The dead marshes förstås och vandringen mot Morannon med Gollum, stämningen där är otrolig. Likaså hela slutet på TTT, med Vägskälet, Minas Morgul och Shelob. Älskar beskrivningarna på Minas Morgul och Shelob, Tolkien kunde verkligen det där med att beskriva fasa. Hela slaget vid Pelennor, förstås, och Merry och Pippins fångenskap hos orcherna och flykt in i Fangorn. En bit jag alltid älskat är när Frodo sitter på Amon Hen och ser ut över Midgård. Och flykten till vadstället.. Och Gamla Skogen. Och hemma hos Tom Bombadil.. och när Frodo totalt tillintetgör Saruman genom att inte slå ihjäl honom. Hmm, finns så mycket mer, men måste nog sluta nu :)

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Hoppsan! :shock: Förlåt att jag missade att denna tråd fanns och startade min egen om favoritstycken... :( Förstår inte hur jag kunde vara så slarvig. Bra att någon låste den. Tack. Ursäkta :oops:


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hrmm ska jag upprepa mig då och säga samma saker jag redan sagt också (=


"oh blimey me sir, go and se elfs and everything"

och Treebeard. och lite fler

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Mina andra favoritstycken (som tyvärr inte kom med i filmerna) är:


Bok I: Vid the Ford of Bruinen, när Frodo står på ena sidan och Nazgûlerna på den andra och de som sedan följer.

Bok II: Mazarbuls kammare. Särskilt när den stora svarta orcen som nästan av manshöjd kommer in, knuffar undan Boromir, dyker under Aragorns svärd och kastar spjutet på Frodo.

Bok III: När Ugluk och Grishnakh bråkar. "What's happened to your precious Nazgûl?". Och när hobbitarna sitter med Bregalad och han sjunger för dem.

Bok IV: Även Jag gillar den här scenen. "Scenen där Gollum/Smeagol nästan smeker den sovande Frodo men störs av Sam som misstänksamt attackerar honom. Avgörande ögonblick. Smärtsamt bra skildrat."
Och när Sam gör kaninstuvning. Och "A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor to show his quality." Och det där stycket där det står att Sam anser att Frodo är snällast i världen, och visast (möjligtvis med undantag för Bilbo och Gandalf).

Bok V: Som sagt det sista stycket av kapitlet Siege of Gondor.

Bok VI: Hur Gimli och Éomer löser sin fejd. Och även hela "The Scouring of th Shire". Och när de är i Bree.
"He promised to deal with the amazing events at Bree, and so give a bit of interest to a book that appeared likely to treat mostly of the remote and less important affairs "away south"."

Jag älskar det citatet.

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OK. Jag kopierar över mina favoriter hit också. Så kan aeglos (antar jag) ta bort hela den andra dubbeltråden... :)

Jag tror mina favoriter ofta är små, mer intima scener. Eftersom RotK-filmen är framför oss, tänker jag mycket på scener där, som jag antagligen förgäves önskar att få se på vita duken...

* Scenen där Gollum/Smeagol nästan smeker den sovande Frodo men störs av Sam som misstänksamt attackerar honom. Avgörande ögonblick. Smärtsamt bra skildrat.

* Merrys samtal med Aragorn och sedan Pippin i Houses of Healing. "But it is the way of my people to use light words at such times and say less than they mean. We fear to say too much. It robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place". Så underbart engelskt. Och mänskligt.

* Förresten - hela scenen med Aragorn i Houses of Healing! Stridernas hjältekonung visar sig mitt under pågående krig upp den andra sidan av sitt ledarskap. Helaren, människokännaren. En föraning om den framtida fredsmakaren, den som ska hela och bygga upp världen igen. Kungen som folkets symbol för framtidshoppet.

* När Sam ser en stjärna högt uppe på den mörka himlen över Mordor, och för ett ögonblick byter perspektiv. Det är nog en av de allra vackraste scenerna i hela boken, tror jag!

* När hobbitarna berättar för Barliman Butterbur i Bree att det är gamle Strider som är den nya kungen. Butterburs reaktion är obetalbar...

* När Frodo visar nåd mot Saruman i Fylke, trots allt. I några få replikskiften visar Tolkien hur Frodo genom sina plågor och uppoffringar har förändrats, från den lite ängslige, ganska bekväme lille hobbiten i början av Sagan till en av de riktigt stora, i klass med Gandalf. Till och med Saruman förstår det.
Den som anser att Tolkien skildrade karaktärerna fyrkantigt och kampen mellan ont och gott i svart-vita termer, har inte läst den här scenen...

Det finns mycker mer förstås! Men det är det här jag kommer ihåg på rak arm.


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Är det ingen som har nämnt Gandalf och balrogen i Moria än?
J.R.R. Tolkien skrev:
"You cannot pass," he said. The orcs stood still, and a dead silence fell. "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor. You cannot pass. The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udûn. Go back to the Shadow! You cannot pass."

Helt fantastiskt!

Dessutom sista stycket av kapitel 5, när Rohirrim för första gången ser det belägrade Minas Tirith, när vinden vänder och när Theoden anfaller:
J.R.R. Tolkien skrev:
"Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden!
Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter!
spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered,
a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises!
Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!"

Får P.J. till det hälften så bra i filmen så kommer det nog en tår i ögonvrån i biofåtöljens mörker.


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Jag älskar när de kommer till Isengård och Merry och Pippin sitter där och röker pipa - ett av bokens klart roligaste stycken!


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Jag har massor med favoriter (suck), men för att skriva en som ingen annan har gjort ännu, så gillar jag när Merry och Pippin berättar hur Isengård ödelades. Enter rules!!!!
Det är så himla häftigt. Tänk att vara orch, och plötsligt se en ent, rasande och till synes bortom allt vett, komma springande mot en. Då vore man inte så tuff.
Till och med Saruman höll ju på att skita på sig när Quickbeam jagade honom.

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Hur kan man inte sakna Tom Bombadil?

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Calaglin skrev:
Hur kan man inte sakna Tom Bombadil?


För att man inte tycker om honom?

Om man vill veta exakt vad Tom är så bör man läsa Bored of the Rings.

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Eller så gör man såhär:

Diverse texter skrev:
Tom Bombadill kallades han av hoberna, alverna kallade honom Iarwin Ben-adar ("Gammal" / "Utan far"), dvärgarna Forn och människorna kallade honom Orald.

Vissa menade att han var en maia, men det är osäkert, vi kan kalla honom en ande. Han var en munter ande som alltid sjöng eller talade på rim. Han såg ut som en kort man med blå ögon, rött ansikte och brunt skägg. Hans klädsel bestod av en blå rock, slokhatt med blå fjäder och gula stövlar. Trots sitt lätt excentriska utseende var han en kraftfull ande och ingen ondska tränge in i hans rike i Gamla skogen i Eriador.

En av Tom Bombadills märkligaste egenskaper var att Härskarringen inte hade någon makt över honom. När han hade den på sitt finger blev han inte osynlig och inte heller var Frodo osynlig för honom när Frodo tog på sig Härskarringen.

Han bodde i Gamla skogen tillsammans med sin hustru Hjortrongull. Hon var dotter till Flodkvinnan i Vitte spring. Hjortrongull var guldhårig och vacker, hennes dräkt skiftade i silver och grönt. Hennes sång lät som fåglarnas och hennes hår var blomsterklätt.

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En varelse som bodde i Gamla skogen tillsammans med Hjortongull. Han hjälpte Frodo och hans sällskap mot kummelgastar och andra onda varelser de stötte på i hans rike. Vissa menade att han var en maia, men det är osäkert

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"Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow;
Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow."

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A mysterious and powerful being, called by the Elves Iarwain Ben-adar (Oldest and Fatherless), who dwelt in the valley of the Withywindle, east of the Shire. What kind of being he was has never been certainly discovered (see The Riddle of Tom Bombadil below), but at some stage in the past, he seems to have settled at the edge of the Old Forest, setting himself boundaries, but boundaries within which his power was extraordinary. Tom was a creature of contradictions, one moment defeating ancient forces with hardly an effort, the next capering and singing nonsensical songs.

He appeared as an old man, at least in hobbit eyes, with a wrinkled and ruddy face, bright blue eyes, and a bristling brown beard. He was said to be taller than a typical hobbit, but too short to be a Man, so he seems to have been about five feet in height. His costume consisted of a blue jacket and yellow boots, and he wore an old and battered hat, surmounted by a feather. He seems to have preferred to wear a swan-feather in his hat, but before he met Frodo and company on the banks of the Withywindle, he had acquired the feather of a Kingfisher instead. In his own house, rather than a hat, he wore a crown of autumn leaves, perhaps revealing something of the elemental powers he possessed.

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The Riddle of Tom Bombadil

Tom Bombadil is the prevailing mystery in Tolkien's work. While almost every other aspect of Middle-earth is described for us in exacting detail, Tom is an enigma. We have almost no clue of his origins or his fate, his purpose or even what kind of being he is. It is no surprise that none of Tolkien's characters have attracted more discussion.

This article makes no attempt to provide a definite answer to the 'Bombadil Problem' - it's very unlikely that a definite answer is possible. What we will attempt, though, is to round up the more common suggestions, both from within Tolkien's cosmology and without, and discuss some of the arguments for and against each.

Tolkien himself is uncharacteristically reticent on the question of Tom's identity:

"And even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally)."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 144, dated 1954

Fortunately, he gives us more clues than this suggests, but by no means enough to solve the mystery with certainty.

There are two real approaches to the problem of Tom's identity; we can try to fit him into the cosmology of The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion, or we can view him more broadly as a literary character. We'll attempt both here, starting with a discussion of Tom in relation to Tolkien's fictional cosmology.

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1. Bombadil Within Tolkien's Cosmology

Tolkien's universe is inhabited by a multitude of races and beings: our problem is that what we know of Tom does not fit easily with any of these. He seems almost to have been 'transplanted' from elsewhere. In fact, this is almost certainly what happened, at least in a literary sense, but at this point we are concerned primarily with giving Tom a place within Tolkien's universe.

Though there are many candidates to choose from, we can at least dismiss most of these immediately. Tom is definitely not a Man, a Hobbit, a Dwarf, or indeed of any mortal kind, and we can also take it for granted, for obvious reasons, that he is not an Orc, a Troll, an Ent, a Dragon or an Eagle! But this still leaves plenty of possibilities:

Was Tom an Elf?
Tom's capering, his wisdom, his great age and his love of song undoubtedly give him a certainly 'Elvish' quality. This possibility though, is easily disproved by the following from The Lord of the Rings:

"'When the Elves passed westward, Tom was here already...'"
Tom's own words, from The Fellowship of the Ring I 7, In the House of Tom Bombadil

Tom would hardly have said this if he was an Elf himself! This is, incidentally, proof of Tom's great age - the Elves 'passed westward' in the Great Journey some six Ages before he spoke these words.

Was Tom a Maia?
This a very common suggestion, to the extent that it is sometimes treated almost as 'fact'. There is, though, no direct evidence for this - it seems to be based on the idea that since Tom can't be a Vala, and there is no other possibility, he must be a Maia. As we'll see, these are both flawed assumptions - Tom might be a Vala, and there is at least one other possibility.

Though we can't say for certain that Tom wasn't one of the Maiar, there are grave difficulties with this position. The most important of these is that the Ring had no effect on him:

"Then Tom put the Ring round the end of his little finger and held it up to the candlelight... There was no sign of Tom disappearing!"
The Fellowship of the Ring I 7, In the House of Tom Bombadil

There were other mighty Maiar in Middle-earth at the time of the War of the Ring, especially Sauron, Saruman and Gandalf, and all of these were in some sense under the power of the Ring. Yet Tom is unaffected by its power of invisibility, nor does he feel any desire to keep it (he hands it back to Frodo 'with a smile'). Tolkien himself points out the importance of Tom's immunity. On this topic, he says:

"The power of the Ring over all concerned, even the Wizards or Emissaries, is not a delusion - but it is not the whole picture, even of the then state and content of that part of the Universe."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 153, dated 1954

Was Tom a Vala?
The last of Tolkien's named races (using the term loosely) that might include Tom is that of the Valar, the Powers of the World. A common argument against this is that we know the names of all the Valar, and Tom isn't among them. This doesn't hold water:

"...[the Valar] have other names in the speech of the Elves in Middle-earth, and their names among Men are manifold."
The Silmarillion, Valaquenta

While of Tom himself it is said:

"'[Bombadil] was not then his name. Iarwain Ben-adar we called him, oldest and fatherless. But many another name he has since been given by other folk...'"
Elrond, from The Fellowship of the Ring II 2, The Council of Elrond

It isn't inconceivable, then, that Tom is one of the fourteen known Valar, dwelling incognito in Middle-earth. Though we can't be certain, it seems likely that a Vala would be capable of resisting the power of the Ring, and so that difficulty can be set aside. The 'Vala Hypothesis', though, is not without difficulties of its own, with perhaps the most significant being:

"'Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless - before the Dark Lord came from Outside.'"
The Fellowship of the Ring I 7, In the House of Tom Bombadil

All of the beings who became Valar existed before Arda was made, so any of them could with justification claim the title 'Eldest'. But Tom says he 'knew the dark under the stars' (that is, he was in the World, not outside it) 'before the Dark Lord came from Outside'. The term 'Dark Lord' is uncertain here - it might apply to either Melkor or Sauron, and both originally came from 'Outside' the World. If he means Melkor, then this is very significant: consider this description of the entry of the Valar into the World, from the original conception of the Silmarillion:

"Now swiftly as they fared, Melko was there before them..."
The Book of Lost Tales, Part I, III The Coming of the Valar and the Building of Valinor

'They' here refers to Manwë and Varda, who were explicitly the first Valar to enter Arda apart from Melko (Melkor). In Tolkien's original conception, then (and there is nothing in the published Silmarillion to contradict this) Melkor was the first being from 'Outside' to enter the World, and yet Tom suggests that he was already here when Melkor arrived!

Admittedly Tom may be referring to Sauron, who must have come to Arda after these great ones, but the phrase 'before the Dark Lord came from Outside' seems to make more sense if he means Melkor (that is, he is referring to an event of cosmic significance, and a specific point in the World's history, which isn't the case with Sauron).

This is only one of the objections to the Vala theory. Another, for example, is that characters who we would expect to recognize a Vala living in their midst (especially Gandalf) don't apparently do so.

There are many other arguments to be made both for and against Tom's status as a Vala. For a more detailed discussion of this topic, and some more concrete conclusions, Eugene Hargrove's fascinating essay Who is Tom Bombadil? is strongly recommended.

Was Tom Ilúvatar Himself?
Tom's powers are apparently limitless, at least within his own domain, and this has led a lot of people of suggest that he might be none other than Eru Ilúvatar himself. There are certainly several hints in the text of The Lord of the Rings that this might be the case; he is called 'Master', and 'Eldest', and Goldberry says of him simply;

"'He is.'"
The Lord of the Rings I 7, In the House of Tom Bombadil

All of these points might suggest that Tom and Ilúvatar were in some sense the same being. In fact, though, this is one of the very few theories about Tom that we can bring to a definite conclusion. This point is touched on several times in Tolkien's letters, and each time he makes it clear that Tom and Eru should not be confused. Perhaps his most definite statement is this:

"There is no embodiment of the One, of God, who indeed remains remote, outside the World, and only directly accessible to the Valar or Rulers."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien No 181, dated 1956

If there is no embodiment of the One (that is, Eru), then Tom cannot of course be such an embodiment.

Was Tom a 'Spirit'?
The idea that Tom might be a 'spirit' (as opposed to a Maia or Vala) is certainly possible according to The Silmarillion. Though it seems to be commonly assumed that only the Valar and the Maiar entered Arda, a tantalising glimpse of Tolkien's original vision survived into the published form of the work. Here, discussing the Aratar or eight mightiest Valar, he says:

"...in majesty they are peers, surpassing beyond compare all others, whether of the Valar and the Maiar, or of any other order that Ilúvatar has sent into Eä."
The Silmarillion, Valaquenta

This single phrase 'any other order' seems to be a survival of a much older and more detailed account found in the Lost Tales:

"...brownies, fays, pixies, leprawns, and what else are they not called, for their number is very great... they were born before the world and are older than its oldest, and are not of it, but laugh at it much..."
The Book of Lost Tales, Part I, III The Coming of the Valar and the Building of Valinor

It is hard not to hear the echo of Tom Bombadil in these words, and perhaps here we see the first germ of his inspiration (the Lost Tales predate Tom's first appearance in print by about a decade). Whether Tom is a brownie, fay, pixie or leprawn, though, is open to doubt - none of these creatures appears in Tolkien's published works, and their function as a bridge to later folklore seems to have been taken up, at least partly, by the Hobbits.

This version of the 'spirit' idea doesn't address many of the other problems already discussed, though. Why should a 'leprawn' be immune to the Ring when the Maiar are not? Could a 'brownie' have entered the World before the first of the Valar?

There is another kind of spirit that Tom could be though: a 'spirit of nature'. Tolkien himself seems to support this point of view:

"Do you think Tom Bombadil, the spirit of the (vanishing) Oxford and Berkshire countryside, could be made into the hero of a story?"
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 19, dated 1937

This letter predates Tom's appearance in The Lord of the Rings (in fact, this quotation is part of discussion of the possible sequel to The Hobbit), so it is at best circumstantial evidence.

The idea of a 'nature spirit', though, is certainly possible within Tolkien's universe. Though this area of his cosmology is never directly addressed, Middle-earth seems at times to be full of spirits - at least some trees apparently have spirits, for example (consider Old Man Willow, or the Huorns of Fangorn). Consider too:

"'But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them. Only I hear the stones lament them..."
Legolas, from The Fellowship of the Ring II 3, The Ring Goes South

There are numerous other examples of this kind: it is clear that in Tolkien's universe, the stuff of nature is somehow more alive, and more aware, than in the modern world. It is a short step from this to the idea of 'spirits of nature', but a much longer one to 'spirits of nature' that wear yellow boots and live in houses.

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2. Bombadil as a Literary Character

It seems clear that, within the cosmos to which he belonged, Tom cannot be classified with any certainty. Outside that cosmos, though, we can at least reach some firmer conclusions (and offer some freer speculations).

Tom's Origins in Earlier Writings
At the time of writing The Lord of Rings, Tolkien had already completed a body of work that many writers would do well to equal in a lifetime. Tom himself had appeared in print as early as 1933 (though the collection The Adventures of Tom Bombadil did not appear until 1961 - and in fact Tom only appears in the first two of these sixteen poems). What's more, the Silmarillion was already well developed (though much of it as it existed then would be unrecognisable to readers familiar with the published version, a great deal of its narrative was already in place).

It seemed at that time that the Silmarillion would never be published, and so Tolkien felt free to use names from that work in his sequel to The Hobbit: Glorfindel is the most famous example, but the names Gildor, Denethor, Boromir, Minas Tirith and many others besides all appear in both works, referring to different characters and places (the hyperlinks here refer to entries for the older versions).

Tom must also have been part of this process, but in his case, his entire character, rather than just his name, seems to have been transplanted into the emerging Lord of the Rings. Tom's appearance in the early chapters is natural - Tolkien at that time seems to have envisaged the work as a children's book, a sequel to The Hobbit following the same style, and Tom certainly would not have seemed out of place. As it grew, though, the world of The Lord of the Rings began to merge with that of The Silmarillion. Here the difficulty seems to have arisen - a character like Tom, though he fits easily into the unconstrained story-telling of The Hobbit, doesn't have an obvious place in the detailed universe of The Silmarillion.

Though Tom's insertion into the nascent Lord of the Rings might be viewed (at least in a sense) as 'accidental', it is certainly no accident that he remained there. Tolkien reviewed and revised the book with his customary meticulousness - it is inconceivable that the character of Tom Bombadil would have stayed in place if Tolkien didn't see him, in some sense, 'fitting' with the rest of the story. In Tolkien's own words:

"...I kept him in, and as he was, because he represents certain things otherwise left out."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 153, dated 1954

In the same letter, he goes on to summarise what these 'certain things' are. It is difficult to paraphrase his statements here: the suggestion is that while all sides in the War of the Ring seek, in their different ways, some sort of political power, Tom is immune from this in the same way that he is immune from the Ring. He only wishes to understand things for what they are, and desires no control over them. (This is a rather pale rendering of Tolkien's actual comments - for further study of this topic, a copy of The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, with special reference to Nos 144 and 153, is indispensible.)

Tom's Place in Mythology
Tolkien's own understanding of what Tom represents in the Lord of the Rings seems to have evolved 'after the event': from what evidence we have, Tolkien apparently first decided that he wanted Tom in the book, and then rationalised his inclusion. One of his earliest comments on Tom after the publication of The Lord of the Rings is:

"...he represents something that I feel important, though I would not be prepared to analyze the feeling precisely."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 144, dated 1954

In the same passage, he then goes on to give an account of Tom's literary function within the book, and the ideas that he represents. But this is an account of ideas from an intellectual perspective, not of the 'feeling' that led to his original inclusion. Here we will speculate a little (the word 'speculate' cannot be over-emphasised!) on Tom's mythological role, and where Tolkien's 'feeling' might have originated. Before continuing, though, it's important to note that Tolkien himself disliked this line of reasoning. Writing of an introduction to the Swedish version of The Lord of the Rings by a Dr Åke Ohlmarks, he says:

"As for Wayland Smith being a Pan-type, or being reflected both in Bombadil and Gollum: this is sufficient example of the silly methods and nonsensical conclusions of Dr O[hlmarks]."
The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, No 229, dated 1961

(Wayland Smith is a god of the Anglo-Saxons; Pan is of course Greek). It is unclear here whether Tolkien is criticising Dr Ohlmarks' specific conclusions (sadly we have no record of what these were), or whether he is dismissing the role of mythological comparison altogether. Ultimately, though, Tolkien was in the business of creating his own mythology (intentionally or not); to avoid comparison with other mythologies is to miss a rich seam of material. Nonetheless, what follows should be read in light of his own comments quoted above.

The particular aspect of other mythologies that we address here is the role of the 'mischievous outsider'. This refers to a god or other being who in some sense does not 'belong' with the others (and indeed, is often literally imported into a mythology from outside). Such characters may be meddlesome and irritating (like the Norse Loki, or the original form of the Arthurian Cei or Kay), but more usually they are simply jolly, frolicsome creatures (Egypt had Bes, the baboon-god, while the Greeks 'borrowed' Bacchus from the people of Thrace). There are many other examples who fulfil this archetype: Coyote in North America, Ueuecoyotl in Mexico or the eastern monkey-god variously called Hanuman or Sun Hou-tzu (better known in the West simply as 'Monkey').

It is not our concern here to discuss why this figure should be so universally represented, only to note that he is. (The word 'he' is used advisedly - this role always seems to be filled by a male).

Is Tom Bombadil a 'mischievous outsider'? He is certainly 'mischievous' (or, more precisely, joyfully unconcerned with the world at large), and we've seen that he is emphatically an 'outsider', in that he doesn't fit easily with the rest of Tolkien's universe. What we're suggesting here is that these elements are not in any sense objections to his inclusion in The Lord of the Rings; in fact they are recommendations: they help to add an inherent sense of 'myth' to the book, that would otherwise be far less evident.

This is not to suggest, of course, that Tolkien consciously considered these points. Rather, to a man steeped in mythical tradition as he was, Tom would have 'felt' right as a character - he helps to lift the Quest of Mount Doom from mere 'legend' into the realms of 'myth'. This perhaps (remember we are speculating wildly here) helps to account for Tolkien's imprecise 'feeling' about him.


Vet inte om man blir nöjd då, det blir i alla fall jag.
Om inte - kolla in Vad han var och Vem han var.

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Nu var inte Jag så allvarlig. I BotR så är Tom, eller Tim Benzedrine som han heter, en hippie/knarkare.


Personligen så tror Jag nästan att Tom är Tolkien själv.

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